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As of right now, there is a beautiful new creation in the Scion lineup, under the name of the Scion FR-S. This rear-wheel, 2.0L F-4 Boxer engine is something that I for one have been hoping for from Scion for quite some time. For all of us xB owners, i see this sporty driver's car as a perfect contrast to the box we drive, in that the FR-S is a performers car with an engine that has great potential for improvements in power and agility, whereas our xB's are great at hauling people and getting fantastic mileage.

I for one am excited to see the opportunity for an affordable weekend warrior that gets enough gas mileage to take around the town and has enough power and precision to be worthy of the 25K pricetag.

Anybody else think this little beast is going to end up parked next to their xB in the garage?
 

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I've heard of a "track version" which comes with a primered body kit, missing A/C, no stereo, speakers... all the frills gone, and only 100 pounds off. Plus IT COSTS MORE!!! personally, i'd rather just buy some lightweight racing seats, carbon fiber hoods and call it a day.

Transmission is another interesting choice. Scion has a "Sport" button for their auto paddle shifters, that keeps the RPM at a decent level to help take those corners without automatically downshifting. so for the clutch cha However, the 5 speed will keep that problem completely at bay, and from what I hear from the reivews, it has a pretty crisp feel when shifting unlike the tC.
 

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However, the 6 speed will keep that problem completely at bay, and from what I hear from the reivews, it has a pretty crisp feel when shifting unlike the tC.
Fixed that for you ;) The top point for me was that you can fully disengage the traction control... just got to hold the button down for three seconds (IIRC).:D
 

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Im so excited for Toyota! They finally listened. (Make a RWD DAMNIT) haha.

I would love to own one, one day. I could care less if a heavy 350Z is slightly faster. Nissan's trash. =)
 

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Yes I plan on buying a FR-S or BRZ. Planning on running Enkei RPF1's, Tein Super Street Coils, Exhaust/Downpipe (TBD based on manufacturer), K&N filter, GT86 headlight swap, rear sway bar, and front strut bar.

You can't really pass up a car like this. As far as when this will happen? Probably in 2014/2015 when things get settled. I think the aftermarket is going to be just as strong as the xB aftermarket.
 

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Why can't you pass up a car like this? In your opinion other than rear wheel drive what makes this car so special? Also interesting you have your parts chosen for the car, many of these parts are not released yet so there is no review about them to let you know how they actually perform.

Seeing how this is more of a Subaru than Toyota when it comes to drive train, I would look into companies that make Subaru parts rather than the standard Toyota companies.
 

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I'd figure its a good place to start with those parts to get the conversation going. I've compared this to getting an S2000. Its still up in the air but I'm still leaning towards the FR-S/BRZ platform especially after seeing the Greddy version from the Cars and Coffee youtube video.

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I will still DD with my xB
 

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Why can't you pass up a car like this? In your opinion other than rear wheel drive what makes this car so special? Also interesting you have your parts chosen for the car, many of these parts are not released yet so there is no review about them to let you know how they actually perform.

Seeing how this is more of a Subaru than Toyota when it comes to drive train, I would look into companies that make Subaru parts rather than the standard Toyota companies.
Okay. Watch this.


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Off the subject here but anybody here have any experiance with the Toyota RAVA ?? My wife has seen them as a replacement of her 15 year old Ykon !!! Thanks !!
The RAV4 just got best small SUV from the new Consumer Reports issue.
 

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You can't really pass up a car like this. As far as when this will happen? Probably in 2014/2015 when things get settled. I think the aftermarket is going to be just as strong as the xB aftermarket.
I personally think its will have one or the biggest followings of all Scions. YES! It's true that the car was made in conjunction with Subaru, and YES! It uses a Subaru engine. But the FR-S has a completely different suspension setup from the BRZ that allows it to be a more agile, evenly weighted car.

Plus now we will have some very cool cross culturing happening between owners of Subarus and owners of Scions which could spawn some very cool aftermarket creations in the future. Not to mention the possibility of taking the best performance parts from either company and having the pick of the litter.

This is a 25 grand sports car. With the supercharger, or a turbo added on, it will destroy Mustangs, S2000's, MX-5's, Geneses, Camaros, and would probably give EVO's and WRX STi's a run for their money in the corners. This is not a drift car, but it does that. It's not a track car, but it does that. It's not a quarter mile car, but it does that.... And it does it all pretty darn well from what I can see.

This car is gonna be big. Because its a drivers car, and it's a daily driver.
 

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Take just about any car to a race track and edit the video it will look like fun to drive. This car should have been a Toyota not a Scion. In putting it in the Scion line up I feel corners were cut to try and keep cost down and suspension/chassis decisions were made to market the car to young inexperienced drivers that want to drift. I am interested to see if the suspension companies offer the same suspensions for both all 3 vehicles or if they each get their own spring rates and valving. The Subaru is designed to handle differently than the Scion in that while cornering it plants the car down and lets you drive through it. The Scion is set up to induce a drift movement easier.

I hope enough people do step up to buy them and then spend the money to add big HP turbo setups and coil overs to see what the car can truly be capable of, I just think once you end up over the $30K price point with these mods you are putting the owner into a higher tier of car that does not need all that money put into it for fun at the track.

For the $30K price you can get a Mustang GT with 412 hp stock and is the true classic rear wheel drive car, complete with rear leaf springs and all.
 

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The Subaru is designed to handle differently than the Scion in that while cornering it plants the car down and lets you drive through it. The Scion is set up to induce a drift movement easier.
Quoted for truth.

Honestly, I see more punks getting the Scion so they can "get sideways" in the parking lot or on back-roads. Regardless, whichever company brings out a targa option first is who I'm going with... unless it's never an option, then I'm going with the Scooby and will make it a targa.
 

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I personally think its will have one or the biggest followings of all Scions. YES! It's true that the car was made in conjunction with Subaru, and YES! It uses a Subaru engine. But the FR-S has a completely different suspension setup from the BRZ that allows it to be a more agile, evenly weighted car.

Plus now we will have some very cool cross culturing happening between owners of Subarus and owners of Scions which could spawn some very cool aftermarket creations in the future. Not to mention the possibility of taking the best performance parts from either company and having the pick of the litter.

This is a 25 grand sports car. With the supercharger, or a turbo added on, it will destroy Mustangs, S2000's, MX-5's, Geneses, Camaros, and would probably give EVO's and WRX STi's a run for their money in the corners. This is not a drift car, but it does that. It's not a track car, but it does that. It's not a quarter mile car, but it does that.... And it does it all pretty darn well from what I can see.

This car is gonna be big. Because its a drivers car, and it's a daily driver.
I think you are giving this car wayyyyyyy too much credit. Will it be cool? Sure. Will it hit a niche market of 19 year old wanna-be Ken Blocks? Yes. Will it be a track (drag or round) monster? I believe that is yet to be seen. We are talking about a car that weighs in at 2700 lbs, produces 200 horsepower, and will probably do 0-60 in 6 and change. You compare it to comparably priced V6 cars, and you will see it doesnt have the power to weight ratio. I realize that power isn't everything, but it still is a factor.

FR-S = 13.5 lbs/hp
Camaro = 12.2 lbs / hp
Mustang = 11.5 lbs / hp
Genesis = 11.2 lbs / hp

I think you will have to throw quite a bit at the car to get it in the same realm as "destroying" some of the cars you mentioned (and I am assuming you mean V6, because drag track wise you will be hurting against some of the V8s). I also agree with Ogerdonz that by the time you throw 5-10K at it to get it to a track monster, you could have purchased something at a lot different level. Me - not gonna be purchasing a FR-S or whatever any time soon. I think in 10 years when we have seen some depreciation and there is a bigger following (350Z comes to mind), I may jump on the boat. Not anytime soon though.
 
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