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2008 xB - engine replacement and other questions

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As I posted in the introductions ( https://www.clubxb.com/threads/new-...ay-to-my-house-and-im-trying-to-fix-it.89547/ ), I've recently acquired a 2008 Scion xB. My sister ran it low on oil and it now has what I believe to be rod knock. Although it still starts and runs, it is down on power and I turned around after only getting a few houses down my street on a quick assessment drive. Here's a pic of us towing it back to my house (fortunately, she broke down only an hour or so away):


I have found a suitable replacement engine in a local u-pull yard - it is in a 2009 Pontiac Vibe GT. From what I could glean by checking the VIN, it has ~176k miles on the motor (before the car was totaled in an accident, and hence why it wound up in the junk yard). Finding a low-mileage cream puff motor seems unlikely, given that the 2AZ-FE was last used in a production vehicle many years ago. But, the price will be right to give it a try (about $300). And, if I get ambitious I may even decide to buy and install a ring-rebuild kit before installing it in the car. That would still keep the total cost of the replacement under $1k (the asking price for lower mileage motors was around $1700, from my quick searching). Any tips for how to quickly (read: ugly methods are OK) remove this engine? I've done an in-junkyard removal of an engine before (had to replace the 2.3L direct-injection Ecotec on my son's 2011 Equinox...twice :mad: ). When I looked over the engine bay, I may just try and remove the engine and transmission as one assembly and see if I get a good price for the combo (it's an automatic transmission, unfortunately, though). I could get a chain or straps around the mounts, remove their bolts and the axles, cut the exhaust free, and then lift it out - that seems like the plan. Bring a cordless impact gun, sawsall, and everything and have at it.

Since our xB has the 5spd manual, I will go ahead and put in new transmission input and output shaft seals, and a new clutch release bearing and clutch. I'll also change the transmission fluid (I've used Redline MTL on my European cars...is anything different recommended for the xB)?

I thought about trying to find a 2.5L 2AR-FE and making that swap work, but I have only found the most basic references to such a swap and whether anyone might have been successful with it before - so there was not a lot of confidence to continue down that path right now. Maybe I'll consider it for a future project if I can find good one of those engines cheap enough :)

Once the engine swap is complete and the car is running solidly, again, I will be removing the interior and updating the stereo system. I found a later-model Scion (Panasonic) radio from an FR-S that has Bluetooth, RCA outputs, etc. I'll use that in order to keep a stock-like appearance. I'll need to track down the microphone and USB ports that work with that, as well as figure out how to add the backup camera input.

I need to find an un-abused front bumper cover (ours has a portion ahead of the right front wheel that is cracked off), the front inner wheel liners, and eventually an unclouded right (US passenger) side headlight assembly - oh, and an under-engine cover/tray. Not big items...I'll just keep an eye locally at the u-pulls and FB Marketplace and Craigslist to get those together. and once the replacement bumper cover is installed, I'll add LED driving/running lights in place of the covers.

One other item: the spoiler on the trunk hatch rattles and is loose. There is no obvious way to tighten it, and I didn't find the spoiler in the Hood & Doors or Exterior sections of the service manual .pdf I found. Any ideas for that?

Thanks!
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Donor engine acquired!

Quick question: is there a difference in the output shaft of the crankshaft between manual (our xB) and automatic (donor Vibe GT) versions?





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Donor engine acquired!

Quick question: is there a difference in the output shaft of the crankshaft between manual (our xB) and automatic (donor Vibe GT) versions?
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This is above my head. However, Superbee44 or 1.8 Tony may have the answers. They have experience in motor installation.
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@superbee 4406 and @1.8TTony , would you mind having a look at my question? Thanks!
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I would think they are the same by
Just logically thinking about it.

Just for the fact that they would have to make a different specific crankshaft depending on the transmission being used in the application
Meaning more different parts being made for the same model.

You should be able to take the flex plate off and bolt on the flywheel.
I would certainly take a shot at it and find out.
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I've run into others (VWs) where there has been a difference, auto vs. manual.

I'll dive into the parts diagrams to be sure, too.

Thanks for the input!
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Most of these companies are very cost driven
with engines and transmissions that will fit across multiple platforms
there are always the exceptions
let us know how you make out as
it would be good info to know
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For background, I've spent the bulk of my career at Tier1 suppliers to Auto OEMs, so I have some experience with them and their supply chain requirements :)

Based on comparison from a dealer parts lookup of the 2008 xB, they are the same:


So, at least that is one less concern!

Further updates on the engine replacement are going to be delayed until the middle of July (at the earliest), as there are other projects around the house that have higher priority. "So it was told to me, so shall it be done." ;)

But I'll keep researching here and elsewhere in preparation for the swap. I am considering doing the piston refresh, since it will be out of the car on an engine stand for a bit, anyway. The donor was wrecked/totaled in October 2017 and had 176k miles on it at that time (at least, that's what I could find from the free info on a VIN lookup at a couple of sites).

This won't be my first modern-era engine swap, as I had to do 2 of them on my son's 2012 Chevy Equinox before I got one that didn't use any oil and ran well. More detail on that saga is here: Round2 - 2012 Equinox 2.4L engine replacement with donor...
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For background, I've spent the bulk of my career at Tier1 suppliers to Auto OEMs, so I have some experience with them and their supply chain requirements :)

Based on comparison from a dealer parts lookup of the 2008 xB, they are the same:
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So, at least that is one less concern!

Further updates on the engine replacement are going to be delayed until the middle of July (at the earliest), as there are other projects around the house that have higher priority. "So it was told to me, so shall it be done." ;)

But I'll keep researching here and elsewhere in preparation for the swap. I am considering doing the piston refresh, since it will be out of the car on an engine stand for a bit, anyway. The donor was wrecked/totaled in October 2017 and had 176k miles on it at that time (at least, that's what I could find from the free info on a VIN lookup at a couple of sites).

This won't be my first modern-era engine swap, as I had to do 2 of them on my son's 2012 Chevy Equinox before I got one that didn't use any oil and ran well. More detail on that saga is here: Round2 - 2012 Equinox 2.4L engine replacement with donor...
That piston refresh for sure. Bigger rings means no oil leaks lol Thanks for the update!
I just read through the TSB procedure... doesn't seem too bad. I'm surprised they say Do Not Hone the cylinder walls, but Ok.

Reminds me of the teardown and rebuild I did on a 120hp 4cyl outboard about 15yrs ago. But for that one I had to send the block out to get bore oversized due to scarring on one of the cylinder walls.

From what I read, the 2AZ doesn't have thickness on the cylinder sleeves to accommodate boring oversize.
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