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So....down the road...if and when i ever need to re-build my engine...I would rather buy a new 1.8 ltr engine to replace it with. Would I be able to do that and if so 1. would there be other things i would have to replace besides the engine and if so, what? 2. are there any specific 1.8 ltr engines that would be the best choice for this? I love my xb and i don't see anything out there i would want (including the new version xb) but it would be nice to have a bit more oomph. I've done some mods and i'm happy with it for now but if at some point I have to go through the trouble and expense of rebuilding the engine anyway, I would consider this an opportunity to do something like this.
 

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I'm no specialist at this, so please, bear with me: I've heard many people discussing a swap with a motor from an older Celica. It's a 1.8, and that's all I know. What I can tell you, is a lot of times with an engine swap, you have to make sure al motor mounts are secure, and a lot of times, any component you want; A/C, transmission.....stuff like that, has to be replaced too.

Again, I'm no expert, but that's what I hear. Anyone else wanna chime in?
 

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In California you can not legally swap an engine from the older vehicle. Many states will follow that regulation in future.
I think it is still cheaper to turbo or supercharge the original motor and expect less life out of it, than to do a legal (wiring, ECM etc.) conversion.
 

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I would be looking at new 1.8's, not swapping or buying used or re-built. I'm assuming I should stay with a toyota engine (even though from my prelimanary research it appears most toyota 1.8's come in at 120 hp wheras newer honda 1.8's are generating 140 hp) cause i'm sure things would be more compatible. I am not interested in turbo or supercharge cause they are noisier,do not last as long, run hotter, are more prone to certain problems etc. etc.
 

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If you really want to do this you would get a lotus elise motor (the same 1.8 celica block). N/A it puts out around 190 hp I think and with 6lbs boost it is 240. I may be off on my numbers. The engine is stronger so if you were going to boost it you would bump that up considerably.

If you are going to spend the mopney to do an engine swap, since you have to redo one side of the engine mount area might as well build a whole new engine cradle and mount the v6 from the Rav4 that is 240hp stock. With exhaust cai intake and power managment plus some lightening of the box vehicle weight you are looking at 1 hp for every 10lbs. This is similar to a stock corvette plus or minus a half pound.
 

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Since you are talking down the road, just wait for the 2ZR-FE to become available. This is the replacement for the currwent 1ZZ-FE. Still 1.8 liters, but it is more efficient, equipped with dual VVT-i and makes 4 more hp in stock trim. Not as powereful as the 2ZZ, but they'll be a dime a dozen in a couple years, and I think a great platform to build from.
 

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You probably aren't going to be able to find much information yet. This is a brand new motor, and (as far as I know) not being used in the US yet. You can try starting here though...

http://www.toyota.co.jp/en/news/06/0613.html

These will be what powers the next generation Corolla. You can probably expect these to start popping up in salvage yards about 6 months after the new Corolla platform is released. I would expect pricing to be in line with that the current 1ZZ-FE goes for.
 

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Looks like a great choice. So...if i was to go to this engine, what all else would have to change (i.e., engine computer etc.)? The current 1.8 is at 120 hp so if your est. is correct the new one will hit 124hp, that would add lotsa pep to the mini beast!
 

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The 2ZR-FE is actually the power plant that is slated for the new xD as well. Early reports indicate the motor coming in at 128 hp. I have seen other reports online of as much as 136 hp in the new Corolla application. (I think the 136 figures are in DIN horsepower which is typically a bit higher than equivalent SAE horsepower.)
 

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More i hear about it, better i like it. Think this differant engine will require a differant engine computer?
 

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Most definitely. The dual VVTi alone would necessitate this. Even if it was standard VVTi it would likely require the use of a different ecu.
 
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