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whitej47 03-13-2011 07:08 AM
DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
Ok guys, I have finally complteted the rear disc conversion on my car and I have over 200 miles on them. I am verry happy with the out come and I encourage a lot of people to do this.

I would like to thank:
Rcurry- Mike from Alliance Auto Sports (Made/testsed the kit)
Thatrotorshop- Adam (Great rotors at an even better price)
PCH- Victor (Help with rebuild)

First 2 supplied parts for the entire build and tons of support! Victor helped me along the way with advice and providing links to rebuild the calipers. I have never done any of this before, and I did all of the work with hand tools, friends, and a dremel.

Obtain kit with full instructions from Rcurry:
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...116001233b.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...116001236a.jpg
Obtain rotors from an '88 MR2 from Adam @ Thatrotorshop:
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...115011600a.jpg
Calipers from local junk yard from an '88 Corolla GTS
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00043.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00041.jpg
Post teasers
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00028.jpg
Mock up
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00036.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00253.jpg
Tear down old calipers and disassemble
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00284.jpg
Clean!!!
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00300.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00302.jpg
Caliper brackets being modified
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00544.jpg
MADMAN!!
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00546.jpg
Grinding even and measuring with calipers
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00562.jpg
High temp paint
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00571.jpg
Clean everything up using brake fluid
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00603.jpg

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00585.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00596.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00588.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00606.jpg

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00591.jpg
Remove stock drum (ebrake off)
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00576.jpg
Remove stock hub assembly
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00584.jpg
All new stuff remounted
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00692.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00696.jpg
http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00701.jpg

Helpful links:

Thatrotorshop for rotors
https://www.clubxb.com/forums/f30/cro...ted-38509.html

Rcurry and the rear DB thread
https://www.clubxb.com/forums/f26/rea...ion-28528.html

Link for disassembling rear calipers and rebuilding(thanks PCH):
MKI MR2 Write-ups

Thanks everyone.:D I will post prices and other info later.
I will posts costs and other info as people ask for it!

eggie 03-13-2011 10:05 AM
Re: DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
does the e-brake work?

whitej47 03-13-2011 10:21 AM
Re: DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
E-brake is fully functional! Mike includes directions for hooking everything up. Took about 2 hours for install once all parts were modified. I have a 5-speed and needed to have an ebrake

shincan 03-13-2011 10:27 AM
Re: DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
wow..thx for sharing Joe...me and my friend was talking about it last night....

sdsnybny 03-13-2011 01:09 PM
Re: DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
Nice write up, did you get to keep your camber?

LoSt 03-13-2011 01:59 PM
Good stuff. Maybe I can help on the next one lmao!!!! ;)

Good DIY mayn

whitej47 03-13-2011 05:49 PM
Re: DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
^ Ah crap dude, my bad. I totally couldn't have got this done without you:o. I wrote this article in 30 mins last night while I was at work at 0300. Thanks for all of your help, bot physical and emotional!!! lol

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/g...e/DSC00575.jpg

Quote:
Originally Posted by sdsnybny (Post 755602)
Nice write up, did you get to keep your camber?
I took my camber out because my tire wear was jacked and I wanted to see how things ran stock-like. But you can totally throw camber shims in behind these plates! I have some more pics I will post up in a bit...

blackscionxb 03-13-2011 06:06 PM
Re: DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
Very nice Joe. always staying one step ahead of the game.


:clap: :clap: :clap:

The_Doctor 03-13-2011 06:17 PM
What are the hubs from?


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ZumCRX1 03-13-2011 07:06 PM
Re: DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
Nice man. If I might ask, other than your time, do you know how much you have invested in the swap?

ZumCRX1

whitej47 03-13-2011 07:56 PM
Re: DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
You re-use your stock hubs, or Rcurry will include machined hubs for the kit. I would go with the pre-machined parts as they are hard for many DIYers.

"Bare bones" kit:
Hardware, stainless rear lines, and brackets from Rcurry-$220 shipped
Rotors from Adam @ Thatrotorshop- $130 shipped
Used calipers from local wrecking yard- $75
High temp paint from local auto parts- $17
Rebuild kit from Toyota for all new rubber- $33
Brake fluid and misc(dremel accessories, etc.)- $50
Hawk semi-metallic pads on eBay- $20 shipped

Little over $500 for the kit. What did I spend? lol. You can cheap out on certain items. For instance, powder coating would have been another $100, no biggie right? Well I would have had to buy $100 in tools to get the calipers fully apart. Then something inside could have been messed up...I just decided to leave em. So I saved $180 or so by painting. BUT, I had to have the fronts match the rears, so I bought SS brake lines and rotors for the front from Adam @ Thatrotorshop as well. Really good products on both of their parts. The front rotors are much more dense than stock and stainless lines really increase the "grip" of the pads. Added expense, the options are unlimited really. I think I spent about $900 or so on everything. I made a few stupid mistakes like throwing the little pad clips away that came on the used calipers. I thought the new pads would have them included...that was a $38 unexpected expense from the dealer...

All in all, if you are cool with using stock components and don't want a lot of "flash" to the kit, you could probably spend under $400. But after having done the work, I would go with the pre-machined caliper brackets from Rcurry because I had a ***** of a time getting those to be precise. I think that took the longest. Machining down the stock hub spokes and boring out the pilot hole are really no big deal.

ZumCRX1 03-13-2011 08:05 PM
Re: DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by whitej47 (Post 755731)
You re-use your stock hubs, or Rcurry will include machined hubs for the kit. I would go with the pre-machined parts as they are hard for many DIYers.

"Bare bones" kit:
Hardware, stainless rear lines, and brackets from Rcurry-$220 shipped
Rotors from Adam @ Thatrotorshop- $130 shipped
Used calipers from local wrecking yard- $75
High temp paint from local auto parts- $17
Rebuild kit from Toyota for all new rubber- $33
Brake fluid and misc(dremel accessories, etc.)- $50
Hawk semi-metallic pads on eBay- $20 shipped

Little over $500 for the kit. What did I spend? lol. You can cheap out on certain items. For instance, powder coating would have been another $100, no biggie right? Well I would have had to buy $100 in tools to get the calipers fully apart. Then something inside could have been messed up...I just decided to leave em. So I saved $180 or so by painting. BUT, I had to have the fronts match the rears, so I bought SS brake lines and rotors for the front from Adam @ Thatrotorshop as well. Really good products on both of their parts. The front rotors are much more dense than stock and stainless lines really increase the "grip" of the pads. Added expense, the options are unlimited really. I think I spent about $900 or so on everything. I made a few stupid mistakes like throwing the little pad clips away that came on the used calipers. I thought the new pads would have them included...that was a $38 unexpected expense from the dealer...

All in all, if you are cool with using stock components and don't want a lot of "flash" to the kit, you could probably spend under $400. But after having done the work, I would go with the pre-machined caliper brackets from Rcurry because I had a ***** of a time getting those to be precise. I think that took the longest. Machining down the stock hub spokes and boring out the pilot hole are really no big deal.
I hadn't planned on cheeping out. I was wondering if it was cost effective for me. But It is not, The output for what is gained is defiantly not worth it for myself.

ZumCRX1

whitej47 03-13-2011 08:14 PM
Re: DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
Yeah I hear you! Not everyone is capable of completing this conversion. Definitely not for the faint of heart. I give it about a 10/10 in terms of DIY. If you buy the pre assembled kit from Mike then it would be about a 4/10 and about as hard as installing hub spacers.

As far as "out put" you really have to have a completely built car to appreciate subtitles such as a kit that NO ONE else has.

ZumCRX1 03-13-2011 08:24 PM
Re: DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by whitej47 (Post 755737)
Yeah I hear you! Not everyone is capable of completing this conversion. Definitely not for the faint of heart. I give it about a 10/10 in terms of DIY. If you buy the pre assembled kit from Mike then it would be about a 4/10 and about as hard as installing hub spacers.

As far as "out put" you really have to have a completely built car to appreciate subtitles such as a kit that NO ONE else has.

No it Has nothing to do with capability, I've built several cars from ground up, From all over the range. I'm fully capable of fab work, I'm looking at it at a $400 dollar plus, rear disc fab on a 108 hp economy car.

ZumCRX1

RAW3XB 03-13-2011 08:36 PM
Re: DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
AWSOME with a capitol A........Nice!!

whitej47 03-13-2011 09:18 PM
Re: DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZumCRX1 (Post 755740)
...I'm looking at it at a $400 dollar plus, rear disc fab on a 108 hp economy car....
Well you are the ONLY one out of about 100 different people I have discussed the conversion with that seems to have nothing but negative feedback. If individuality is what you are striving to achieve, congrats sir, on a job well done;)

ZumCRX1 03-13-2011 09:34 PM
Re: DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by whitej47 (Post 755763)
Well you are the ONLY one out of about 100 different people I have discussed the conversion with that seems to have nothing but negative feedback. If individuality is what you are striving to achieve, congrats sir, on a job well done;)
Completely the contrary. I really was curious on cost. It is a nice conversion, and looks great, I was merely stating, once you post the list of cost, not to mention I'm sure many hours of your time, that is wasn't cost effective enough for myself. I do appreciate you documenting your conversion, as I'm sure it will help others in doing so if the wish to tackle it. Again, I was curious on cost, because It was something I had been thinking about for some time.

ZumCRX1

PCH 03-13-2011 10:30 PM
Re: DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
Good to see this project completed in short time. All parts look top notch and everything should be doable now by an average guy thanks to your DIY. More people should follow this, looks great :cool:

SAKURA 03-14-2011 12:05 AM
Re: DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
thumps up joe!

i also had my eyes on the matrix forum for the full conversion.

gothbox 03-14-2011 01:53 AM
Re: DIY Rear Disc Brakes- Gen 1 xB...yep you read right!
 
great write up, and looks great as well.

Will have to add this to the "wish list" for the car and see how long it takes to actually think about doing it LOL.


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