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6 speed xb, am I the only one?

Just did the c 60 swap on my 05 xb. First 5 gears are great, I've yet to test the overdrive. First thing to do is get a c60 from a celica,matrix,corolla yes, or vibe gt so on and so forth. Then you need the bell housing off the original grinder and replace the two bearings with the c60 bearings. You really only need the one for the shaft with the pinion but I did both for cheap insurance. The next step is to split the case and put on the new bell housing. The way I did it was a major pain like Damon Wayans. If you want rebuild the entire tranny you'd only suffer the trouble of pressing all the bearings out but you'll avoid having to try to bolt the reverse linkage in while trying to keep the diff in and hold the bell housing in the right place. Either way is a frustrating mess. The next challenge I faced was getting axels to fit the c60 diff. My quick fix was buy a set of cheap xd axels and mount the stubs on the original xb axel shafts. This requires a set of cheap xd axels,xb axels, and some band clamps. In short if you cut the boot off the diff side of the axel you can pop out a snap ring and pull the old switch-a-roo on the spider bearings or whatever they are. add some band clamps and boom axels that fit. I don't know if all toyota axels have the same spline count on the inside, but the xd axels work just fine.
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Next is to notch the frame. I marked the frame about a 1/2 past each end of original transmission end case. I cut on the corner of the frame about 9 inches long and a inch or so back from the corner and 2 inches up from the bottom and beat it with a hammer un till the edges met. I cut the corners of the frame so the outside edges would mate up and I welded it up and ground it smooth. It's important to check clearance so you don't have to bench the tranny in and out.
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Once it's all sorted you just have to bolt it in. I had the opportunity to drop the trans twice last year so I have some practice getting it in. I set the tranny on a floor jack and lay next to it on the floor. I use a leg to lift the jack and balance the tranny with my hands. I you have a buddy this is a lot less difficult but it can be done without the jack and just muscle but it sucks. the spline position is key to mate the tranny and engine so you may need to play with it a little. after it's all bolted and linked I dropped it on some tein coilovers and some sway bars. You can see my box lives up to its reputation as a crusty old turd but it runs strong and smooth now. hope this helps anybody wanting to do a trans swap, let me know if you have any questions about the swap ?
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Re: 6 speed xb, am I the only one?

Wow that is a lot of work, awesome to have a 6 speed Gen1, thumbs up.

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Hell yeah man its great, it dhould have been a stock option. I just got back from a Los Angeles forest run and I have to say I need brakes. With all the suspension mods and the 6 speed it's amazing but the brakes die out fast. Does anyone know of any disc brake upgrades for the rear or any other brake upgrades other than the brembos.
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this is a bad shot of the notch with the 6 speed case.
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Bad ass bro how much did it cost just for the swap?
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it was $800 for a used c60. both bearings needed were $45 and $65. The cheap xd axels were $50 and some change each. you need a couple packs of the cheap band clamps and some mega black silicone to get it all sealed up. I'd say all together I spent about 1k and some change for just the 6 speed swap. I'd definitely recommend getting a new set of seals while you have the case split, my input shaft started leaking today. So tranny comes out again. I'm getting really good at it now.
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Re: 6 speed xb, am I the only one?

What kind of rpms are you running when on the freeway now??

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well what I thought was a matrix 6 speed with the taller 6th gear (.722) or something turned out to be the close ratio with the .825 6th gear I think. my numbers may be off but it does drop the rpms noticeably. At 80 in 6th I'm running 3600 to 3800. my wheel speed calculator came up with 3690 at 80 with given tire size. It's not a huge jump but I'd assume I'll get batter hwy miles ant doesn't sound like a sewing machine anymore. I don't think any more overdrive would be any good, I don't think the little motor has the torque to pull the car along. the gear ratios are great and keeps the motor right in the max torque un till you pop it in 6th but for the LA freeways it's pretty good.
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I'll throw on my mind scan tool to get an exact rpm at high speeds, and I'll throw up a few more pics that show more details of the build as I'm going to pull the tranny to replace the seal tomorrow.
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So how did it go? Did you get it pulled and back together? I'm interested in doing this swap as well...
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Re: 6 speed xb, am I the only one?

I don't have a 6-speed, but I did swap my 5-speed for an Echo 5-speed. It's more sluggish getting moving initially in first gear, but I'm pretty much used to it now. The best part is turning around 2700 rpms at 70! It's definitely quieter at highway speeds and smoother, because of the lower rpms. I wish I had been able to get this done 10 years ago when I got my xB.
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Re: 6 speed xb, am I the only one?

Nice! That sounds pretty much exactly what I'm looking for. What all went into the installation of the Echo transmission? Did you have to modify anything?

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Re: 6 speed xb, am I the only one?

I didn't do it myself, but the mechanic that did the swap said it was very straightforward. He didn't have to modify anything. The Echo transmission bolted right up. No modifications for that or for the CV axles. He said the hardest part was getting the old transmission out.
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Re: 6 speed xb, am I the only one?

That's awesome. Have you noticed a difference in your gas mileage? I could only imagine how much better highway mileage it could get, possibly city too. I drive 55mph @ 3k rpm, and often start in 2nd gear from a stop.

I might have to attempt this swap. My wife is gonna hate me!

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Re: 6 speed xb, am I the only one?

I just got it done a few weeks ago, and I haven't really taken any long highway trips yet. I've had an Ultra Gauge hooked up for years, so it's easy for me to monitor my gas mileage. In town, the mileage is about the same (36-40mpg). I definitely try to get good mileage. The only real highway driving I've done is on the way back from the shop where I got it done. I reset my average mpg, and over about a 20 mile stretch of driving 60-65 my average was around 42 mpg.

Used manual Echo transmissions are kinda hard to come by. I found one on eBay for about $450. I didn't know what was involved with doing the swap, and apparently nobody else did either. It was hard to find someone willing to do it. I found basically a specialty shop that said they would should be able to do it. After hearing what the mechanic said about it, there's no reason a normal transmission shop or someone with decent facilities at home and mechanical ability couldn't do it. The rates at the shop that did it are $100/hr, and my total there was right around $650 for parts (fluid), labor and tax. So finding a cheaper shop or being able to do it yourself will save a lot. Basically take the old one out and put the new one in. No modification needed for anything. Toyota made this one easy for us. It's just that nobody knew it was that easy!
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Re: 6 speed xb, am I the only one?

nice to see that it worked !! I knew the Echo and xB had a lot in common but its nice to this worked for you !!!
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Re: 6 speed xb, am I the only one?

Yes, it's great that it worked out for you. Thank you for speaking up and telling us about your success! It feels good to keep the community around these cars alive, we all know these xB's last a very long time.

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