[seppuku27]

Sorry to bother your thread about your exhaust that increased your torque oh so much.

I am just trying to get the right facts out there for people. Any power increase you might get from this axle back you won't feel.

[TrevorS]

I get the impression you feel I'm trying to mislead people. If it makes you feel any better, I just posted a question in another forum:

ScionLife View topic - Any HP or Torque plus or minus to going dual exhaust?

The cards will fall as they may !

PS. However, I really do wish you'd stop misstating what I said -- at least to me, it makes a difference !

[seppuku27]

Originally Posted by seppuku27

The reason you think your car is faster is because its making more noise and you just paid 350 so your mind is trying to tell you it was a worth while investment.

As I said earlier thats the reason it made a difference to you.

On the dual vs single your going to be adding weight and loosing velocity with a dual exhaust. Its your money.

[TrevorS]

I wish I were as omniscient as you -- it must be nice !

PS.

Originally Posted by TrevorS

In any case, although performance improvement would be nice, it wasn't something I was counting on !

Oh, forgot to mention, according to speed-element/Tsudo, the fireball dual exhaust actually weighs LESS than the oem single exhaust system !

[1vicissitude]

Why does everyone think a catback exhaust will only add 1 hp? I know not to expect more then say 5hp and the tc guys with catacks gain around this number if not slightly higher. We have the same engine so I'd like to imagine our gains will be similar. The article in reference with the trd axle back shouldnt have any ground on this because it is a axle back, two different things. Anyone with the strup/tsudo/cxracing exhaut dyno yet?

[TrevorS]

I don't pretend to know the answer to this, but my understanding is 1HP is pretty certain (though some will say none whatsoever, even going so far as to say a loss of power relative to single exhaust -- no, I don't understand that position either, though it's my impression some feel the most important thing is to appear knowledgable, even if said knowledge is totally illusary !)

In any case, I've little doubt the primary advantage of the Tsudo exhaust is a combination of appearance and sound (with the trumpets removed.) Speaking for myself, I've kept the trumpets installed, but I'm entirely satisfied !

[Liesjemt]

but I was just wondering what everyone was doing with the plastic filter that practically sits on top of the center pipe here:


I’m not in this section very often, so someone may have already posted this, but a word of warning on this exhaust.
It does bolt on pretty easily, but there is a safety issue that the install instructions leave out.

The red arrows are pointing to a plastic filter that will be practically sitting on top of the tail pipe.
If it melts, bad things will happen. Very very bad things.

The guy doing the install shown ended up creating a bracket to replace the OEM one on the driver’s side of the filter to hold it higher.

Before:


After:


The bracket:


Then he wrapped the filter w flame resistant cloth and secured it w aircraft cable:




Oh yeah, here’s the final install:


I’ve also seen heat tape used to shield it like this:

Still waiting to see how that holds up.

Those of you who have been running the exhaust for awhile could you please check to see if there is any heat damage?

[seppuku27]

You could also wrap that part of the pipe in the heat material that you would use on your headers.

[dodong27]

You have one "caring" mechanic... wish we all had them!!!

Anyways, great idea, would like to see others with this set-up see if there are any damages to that filter/black box...

Does the Tsudo exhaust tip sit where the OEM/Stock exhaust tip sits..???

Looks like it's placed real close to the rear bumper..???

Any feedback is greatly appreciated!!!

[Liesjemt]

Anyways, great idea, would like to see others with this set-up see if there are any damages to that filter/black box...

Thanks, the guy who did the install is Dean from RG Brakes Alignment & Muffler here in Valencia CA (north of Los Angeles in the Santa Clarita Valley). He also installed the CAI in my 1st gen.

Honestly, I'm kinda surprised that only the two of you posted a response to me.
Maybe everyone else who installed their exhaust just figured it out on their own?
>shrug< We're going into the summer now here in SoCal (for those buried under snow I'm wearing shorts & a tank top ) so I guess time will tell.

Does the Tsudo exhaust tip sit where the OEM/Stock exhaust tip sits..???
Looks like it's placed real close to the rear bumper..???

A few of my member's are running this exhaust & I'm not aware of any issues w melting the stock bumper.
I think it looks & sounds good.
Here it is on MasterB:

And Phil again:


It WILL NOT FIT with the 5 Axis kit though (I forget if anyone has posted that already) as seen on Cesar's ride:

[TrevorS]

Originally Posted by Liesjemt

Thanks, the guy who did the install is Dean from RG Brakes Alignment & Muffler here in Valencia CA (north of Los Angeles in the Santa Clarita Valley). He also installed the CAI in my 1st gen.

Honestly, I'm kinda surprised that only the two of you posted a response to me.
Maybe everyone else who installed their exhaust just figured it out on their own?
>shrug<

I installed my Tsudo at 1910mi and it's currently at 3703mi. So, only about 1800mi on the pipes, but still, here are a couple photos I just took showing the filter box above the pipe.




I ran my fingers over the area of the box closest to the pipe from end to end and there was no sign of any deformation, melting, etc. There is a little dirt however !

Originally Posted by Liesjemt

We're going into the summer now here in SoCal (for those buried under snow I'm wearing shorts & a tank top ) so I guess time will tell.

We got to about 67F today, but still a ways to go before summer.

[TrevorS]

Originally Posted by Liesjemt

but I was just wondering what everyone was doing with the plastic filter that practically sits on top of the center pipe here:


I’m not in this section very often, so someone may have already posted this, but a word of warning on this exhaust.
It does bolt on pretty easily, but there is a safety issue that the install instructions leave out.

The red arrows are pointing to a plastic filter that will be practically sitting on top of the tail pipe.
If it melts, bad things will happen. Very very bad things.

Those of you who have been running the exhaust for awhile could you please check to see if there is any heat damage?

OK, you've slammed the design as a safety hazard: "a word of warning", "safety issue", "practically sitting on top of the tail pipe", "If it melts, bad things will happen. Very very bad things."

Now, my question is whether this is just slander, or if you have any proof at all that there is indeed a problem to be addressed? I've yet to read or hear of someone having a problem and as I demonstrated immediately above, after 1.8Kmiles, my install is definitely not showing any sign of heat damage to the filter box.

So, please present your supporting evidence!

[WhiteNoise]

Originally Posted by TrevorS

So, please present your supporting evidence!

It sounds to me that he was asking for people to check their installs...

[TrevorS]

Originally Posted by WhiteNoise

It sounds to me that he was asking for people to check their installs...

That was my initial reaction until I went back and read the first section more closely. She (not he) was alerting us all to a clear "safety" hazard, and I see no supporting evidence for presenting such an opinion as though it were fact. Aggressively attacking a product like that should only be done when there is a known problem, not just a non-expert opinion. It could unjustifiably harm sales of a perfectly good product. There's another thread in this section where she comes down a little harder by saying the plastic "probably will" melt. Not good!

[masterbB]

I personally have had a problem with this exhaust. Do to the overheating of that box my car became severely bogged down, had bad shutters, and eventually wouldn't start. I now have heat reflective tape covering it. So far so good. Neither myself or Liesjemt are trying to bad mouth the exhaust. I love the look and sound of this kit. Unfortunately the R&D on this kit was poor. It sits too high and is too narow to fit and body kit without modification and it sits too close to these censors.
I love this exhaust just want to give a warning about the overheating problem.

[TrevorS]

Originally Posted by masterbB

I personally have had a problem with this exhaust. Do to the overheating of that box my car became severely bogged down, had bad shutters, and eventually wouldn't start. I now have heat reflective tape covering it. So far so good. Neither myself or Liesjemt are trying to bad mouth the exhaust. I love the look and sound of this kit. Unfortunately the R&D on this kit was poor. It sits too high and is too narow to fit and body kit without modification and it sits too close to these censors.
I love this exhaust just want to give a warning about the overheating problem.

Thanks for chiming in.

What sensors does it sit too closely too? You say you had no damage to the box? And yet the heat caused the engine to misbehave? Does anyone know exactly what the function is of that box and its contents?

Also, under what weather and driving conditions did those problems appear? Don't mean to give you some kind of third degree, just trying to learn what I can.

Thanks !

[masterbB]

i am not car expert but i was told that that box is the EVAP box? it has to do with emissions. when mine was over heating it felt like the engine was taking in to much oxygen. it wasnt a hot day or anything just came on suddenly and went away once it cooled.

[TrevorS]

Interesting! How did you come to relate the problem to the box?

[masterbB]

on the instal we noticed the exhast sat kinda close to it. when i had the problems i took it to my buddies shop. we wrapped it in the heat reflective tape and its worked so far

[TrevorS]

Thanks! I need to learn more about the function of that box. Not having a factory manual is a real drag !