Convert you car to run on water for $200?

Cravin · 08-31-2008, 02:59 PM

I was going to try this out a while ago but I did some research and for the most part its a scam.

xbnoob · 08-31-2008, 11:20 PM

scam? lol

how so? the technology has been around forever.

RavenWulf · 09-01-2008, 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Cravin

I was going to try this out a while ago but I did some research and for the most part its a scam.

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Originally Posted by xbnoob

scam? lol

how so? the technology has been around forever.

like-wise, did a lil research myself and couldn't come up with anything credible... none of the sites I found who sell their own equipment have any kind of outside verification of their claims of "40% increase in mpg". and yes "hydrogen-cell" technology has been around for a bit but not meant for mixing with complex hydro-carbon fuels... even the Myth Busters tried this and failed, and I highly doubt anyone on here has anywhere near the budget they had for trying to get it to work...all said and done this ain't nothing but a modern day snake-oil sales pitch

xbnoob · 09-01-2008, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RavenWulf

like-wise, did a lil research myself and couldn't come up with anything credible... none of the sites I found who sell their own equipment have any kind of outside verification of their claims of "40% increase in mpg". and yes "hydrogen-cell" technology has been around for a bit but not meant for mixing with complex hydro-carbon fuels... even the Myth Busters tried this and failed, and I highly doubt anyone on here has anywhere near the budget they had for trying to get it to work...all said and done this ain't nothing but a modern day snake-oil sales pitch

well you haven't done your research correctly...

Cravin · 09-01-2008, 09:24 PM

If you are buying or selling parts, designs, or info about this technology via private message you guys are on your own. Club xB does not have anything to do with it nor will we mediate any problems.

alanchap · 09-01-2008, 11:38 PM

Cravin I am not selling anything, I have nothing to sell. Just sharing information.

Pregorollerskate, that is a lot of output. do you really need more? the system I have seen running was putting out about 1.5L per min and it worked great. There comes a point where to much a good thing becomes bad you know. from my understanding if you add some HHO to the system the computer will adjust for it if you push too much the computer will have problems with it. But more power to you tho if you are willing to push the envelope then have fun. I recomened checking hhoforums if you have not already for more info, plus the people over there are using the technology and are willing to share and help you with your project.

Cravin · 09-02-2008, 12:00 AM

I'm not saying you are selling anything. I just want to let everyone posting on this thread and the other thread dealing with this subject that Club xB will not be responsible for any disputes or damages. I was very close to closing both threads I merged them together instead. IMO its a waste of money but I'll let the discussion continue. Please try not to post links to sites marketing info DVDs or systems I will delete the links.

Radioman · 09-25-2008, 02:59 PM

Hi, long time off site. I just finished my hho goodies when I find data that KOH dissolves glass. Actually one site says it does and another says it doesn't. My generator is a large fruit jar, mounted in the battery compartment. The KOH made bocu HHO. I tried Baking soda, it's fair up to about 12 amps then falls off rapidly.
My question, what do you guys use for a salts in your generator?
I want to stick with glass if possible. Thanks.

SwishBox · 09-25-2008, 03:44 PM

Just do a search on youtube for "Brown's Gas" or "OxyHydrogen" and you will find a plethora of information. Though I do believe that the potential for this is huge, the infrastructure and the research will never be completed to make it commercially viable and worthwhile. Sure the DIY generators may give you a bump in MPG from time to time, but the systems currently being sold heat up quickly. Once heat is introduced, the generators begin to decline in gas production.

I have done extensive research on this topic and even written a research paper on Oxyhydrogen and I do believe these generators work, but they are not very dependable as far as gas production. It is a sweet idea and I completely think that the millions of dollars that disappear within government walls should be directed towards more research on the matter, but that will never happen. Big oil rules the world and its a lose/lose for them. Bummer!

So to all of those asking "does it work?" I say yes, but is it something that you think is worth the time and the effort when taking into consideration the inefficiency of the current generators. The highest legit (to my standards) gain in MPG that I could find was 7mpg and that was only produced one time and could not be duplicated. I thought about trying it long and hard, then decided not to do it for myself, but it would be nice to see some figures from people that say they do have them on their Xb.

Just my 2 cents.

sn0n · 09-26-2008, 12:39 AM

reading now.. seems interesting...

Radioman · 09-26-2008, 07:01 AM

Well, what do you know, on an electronics site I hang out on, one of the member's wife (a professional chemist)

says KOH does NOT dessolve glass, only hydroflouric acid does, so my train is back on track! I'd still like to know if anyone here found a place to install a generator and bubbler in a xB without removing the battery. Thanks.

TattedXB · 09-26-2008, 08:52 PM

wow, i'm amazed, I made this post in 0ct of 2007 and it's still going on! Well I decided not to do this myself, I work from home anyways so it's not like i'm driving alot and need to cut back on gas

Radioman · 09-29-2008, 02:19 PM

Don't be so sure, Ravenwolf. I've watched that show many times, their credibility totally stinks with me. Including the HHO one. In my opinion they no not what they are doing at least some of the time. Did you see the one about whether a toy car could go down a hill as fast as a real car (gravity only), hey the big car one won both times. But did you notice they made the toy car run down channel to control it's direction BUT PLACED NO constriction on the real car. The toy car was rubbing the sides all the way down the hill and they exclaimed the Myth was busted. In my opinion, those two are phoney's!

You keep watching this channel, same place, same time. The testing is about to begin!

vettereddie · 09-30-2008, 12:35 PM

Radio, I agree that Mythbusters isn't the end-all be-all. Their methods are very un-scientific and leave too many uncontrolled variables in the setup. BTW, I'm an Electrical Engineer pursuing a masters in Systems Engineering. I remember them trying to bust the radar jammer myth by using a microwave oven. Only they forgot a waveguide and appropriate operating frequency. Trust me, the military already has the technology to disable your entire vehicle electronic system, it just takes a lot of $$ and electrical power. Just google directed energy weapons, or DEW for short. Keep in mind these are limited to electromagnetic radiation, IR, visible and UV spectrums. There are no particle "ray guns", you need a medium that can transmit with minimal loss through the air and at far distances.

Tatted, I'm glad you did not waste your money on this foolishness. While hydrogen production from electrolysis does work, it is not the most economical way to do it and the volume of hydrogen produced from a mayo jar would not impact your power or fuel economy, not to mention that it will load your electrical system (needing more gas to make up for the increased alternator load) and having to continually purchase the activating reagent, baking soda or other. Also, glass under the hood is BAD, check your local DOT laws but I'm pretty sure it's not legal. My killerglass tube probably isn't even streetable. Also, do NOT use salt water or any chloride, the byproduct of which is chlorine gas, which is both toxic and corrosive.

If you really want to improve performance for $200, get a piggyback eManage or AEM FIC and lean out the fuel tables a bit. A proper tune makes a difference, even on n/a vehicles. Though to be honest the timing makes more of a difference then the duty cycle, allowing a more complete burn. Make sure it's an actual engine management system, i.e. can control injector duty cycle and ignition timing, those performance "chips" are complete garbage.

Let me also clarify, this is NOT a hydrogen fuel cell. That takes existing hydrogen and converts it to electricity, kind of like reverse electrolysis. Keep in mind the catalyst is usually platinum or another rare metal, so they aren't yet cost effective, not to mention the logistics problems of storing sufficient ammounts of hydrogen in a moving vehicle. The end product is water vapor but the technology is only as green as the hydrogen source, which is usually refined natural gas or another hydrocarbon, or using electricity from a coal fired power plant, neither of which is particularly clean or reducing dependancy on non-renewable resources.

Final thoughts, if you really want to improve your mileage get a vacuum gauge and hook it up to the brake booster hose. Adjust your driving to keep it in a vacuum state and you will use less fuel.

Radioman · 10-01-2008, 01:35 PM

I just searched many pages on E-bay looking for a cheap flow gauge. There were plenty there a month ago or so like around $30.00 but nothing now. I'd like to set up my generator and PWM for best output vs. current. Anyone out there have a leed on something? Thanks for the help.

Radioman · 10-06-2008, 12:29 PM

And................here it is! Just ordered, and no E-BAY :-)

nc_pinz · 10-07-2008, 04:33 AM

About every forum I frequent has a post like this. What a load of crap. Good luck on your investment.