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03-10-2009, 01:27 PM
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#201 | | Registered User
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
This is not too sharp & I don't know why.
This was Sundays project. Used a whole lot of tape to get something that would work on this body shape.
The strobe on the hood would have a panel for the center of the bumper. The 3 wrappers on the side would be different colors. The side stripe, hood strobe, for this car will match the wheels.
With any luck I'll get springs in this weekend, finish the graphics, maybe get the wing on ( matte black ). Possibly a good pic..........
Some of you with 2nd gen need to post some pics........ NEED IDEAS  | 
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03-10-2009, 05:54 PM
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#202 | | Registered User
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
great looking cars steve. i hope to see them in person sometime soon | |
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03-11-2009, 09:26 AM
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#203 | | Wellesley Scion Champ
Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Worcester, MA
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
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03-11-2009, 09:34 AM
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#204 | | Registered User
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
Got any go fast under the hood?
Pretty stealthy look you have going on. I like it! It's in keeping with East Coast tuff. | |
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03-11-2009, 09:50 AM
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#205 | | Wellesley Scion Champ
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
Currently I have an intake and exhaust, I have contacted a company about making an intake manifold, then I am thinking about having the throttle body bored out... from there I will be looking at getting the extra turbo I have lying around actually into the xD... lol, when I am done I am hoping for around 225whp... I would push for the 300whp range but my 240 is fast enough where I dont need anymore fast cars... I just want the xD to be peppy... | |
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03-11-2009, 11:10 AM
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#206 | | Registered User
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
Hey anything, over, say 220 at the wheels for a DD is overkill. At 64 my wife keeps saying, "you're not going to touch that car, right?"
The turbo pieces parts are a problem for the XD - seems like. If you do it & get the management, injector combo figured out - more than half the battle is done. I know less than nothing about these new gen XD - XB engines but messing with the TB might not work out like you expect & the OE intake manifold has pretty good flow as is ( Toyota really does a pretty good job in these areas ). Is the XD cable or wire? If wire, you could run into some big time problems. I also have an 03 Cooper S - throttle by wire. 2 maybe 3 years ago larger TBs were available. Dinan had, might still offer, a kit that worked well with the their software. I don't remember if the others added anything - most were listed in the classified. This is a different situation but there's no data, at this time, to support a TB mod. Do you know anyone with the spacer?
Looking forward to warmer weather. Got lots to do on the XB2 & I need to put my Cosworth head back on the mini.
And you have a grand afternoon, thanks for the pics,
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03-11-2009, 12:14 PM
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#207 | | Wellesley Scion Champ
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
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Originally Posted by Steve64  Hey anything, over, say 220 at the wheels for a DD is overkill. At 64 my wife keeps saying, "you're not going to touch that car, right?"
The turbo pieces parts are a problem for the XD - seems like. If you do it & get the management, injector combo figured out - more than half the battle is done. I know less than nothing about these new gen XD - XB engines but messing with the TB might not work out like you expect & the OE intake manifold has pretty good flow as is ( Toyota really does a pretty good job in these areas ). Is the XD cable or wire? If wire, you could run into some big time problems. I also have an 03 Cooper S - throttle by wire. 2 maybe 3 years ago larger TBs were available. Dinan had, might still offer, a kit that worked well with the their software. I don't remember if the others added anything - most were listed in the classified. This is a different situation but there's no data, at this time, to support a TB mod. Do you know anyone with the spacer?
Looking forward to warmer weather. Got lots to do on the XB2 & I need to put my Cosworth head back on the mini.
And you have a grand afternoon, thanks for the pics,
Steve | lol, I am used to high horse cars for DD... My 240 easily has 300whp, and its a super light car as well. I actually bought the xD as a winter car so I could garage my 240... ended up modding both cars (I have been bitten by the bug years ago and cant stop, I am at the point where I mod other peoples cars while they arent looking, lol)
I know I can get more power out of the D with a better flowing intake manifold, and the TB needs to be looked at a little before I jump into it, and as for the turbo, I am expecting to build my own parts... like the turbo manifold and piping, etc. I already have a boat load of other turbo goodies left over from the first set up the 240 had so I am pretty good with the rest of the parts... traction will be my next concern, I already break the tires loose on the D so I will be looking at getting a decent set of rubbers, the TRD Struts, and having solid motor and tranny mounts fab'd up ...
you Mentioned a spacer? are you talking about some type of TB spacer? do you have examples from other vehicles, etc? I may be able to have one custom made real quick to see if there are any gains...
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03-11-2009, 01:01 PM
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#208 | | Registered User
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
Wahoo, You got stuff! There's a lot of power to be had. AND you have the plan. The XD is the better choice for what you want to do IMHO.
This sounds more like a serious street killer than a DD project. Once the bug hits, it never leaves. The 240 car is? Year?
At 300 do you think w/sticky rubbers the OE axles will work?
Bottom line - we need to talk..... This will be a fun project... I'll need to take a day off & drive out there. Yup, I'll do some home work first........
TB spacer = w w w.fastscions. com/ images/ view. aspx?productId=755
I hear they work - you hear all kinds of stuff, this thing might actually do something.
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03-11-2009, 03:07 PM
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#209 | | Wellesley Scion Champ
Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Worcester, MA
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
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Originally Posted by Steve64 Wahoo, You got stuff! There's a lot of power to be had. AND you have the plan. The XD is the better choice for what you want to do IMHO.
This sounds more like a serious street killer than a DD project. Once the bug hits, it never leaves. The 240 car is? Year?
At 300 do you think w/sticky rubbers the OE axles will work?
Bottom line - we need to talk..... This will be a fun project... I'll need to take a day off & drive out there. Yup, I'll do some home work first........
TB spacer = w w w.fastscions. com/ images/ view. aspx?productId=755
I hear they work - you hear all kinds of stuff, this thing might actually do something. |
LOL, yes I get stuff, I usually keep quite to gauge what others know. The 240 I refer to is a 1989 Nissan 240SX. It has a redtop SR20DET swap, MR bottom mount turbo manifold, HKS hotpipe, fatboy garage 24x36x6 inch core intercooler, Greddy Coldpipe, Greddy 3 inch Downpipe, MR 3 inch test pipe, Exedy Stage 1 clutch, HKS SSQV BOV, HKS WGA, T-28 S14 Ball Bearing Garrett Turbo...
Im running it at 18psi... lol, and most the 240 guys say it's out of its efficiency at 14 psi, crap I tell you! and I am using the stock JDM ECU!!! no fuel management at all!!!!
on to the xD, at 300whp I expect to snap the axles... but I am planning on 75 less horse in hopes that they can take it, and I will need to do less outside work to get the power to the ground...
I was quoted $650 for a log style stainless manifold with an external wastegate port from FSR Motorsports.
That TB spacer is for an xB?
what do you think the depth of it is? an inch maybe? shouldnt be too hard to have one made up for the D...
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03-11-2009, 04:24 PM
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#210 | | Registered User
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
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Originally Posted by TheLittleDeviant LOL, yes I get stuff, I usually keep quite to gauge what others know. The 240 I refer to is a 1989 Nissan 240SX. It has a redtop SR20DET swap, MR bottom mount turbo manifold, HKS hotpipe, fatboy garage 24x36x6 inch core intercooler, Greddy Coldpipe, Greddy 3 inch Downpipe, MR 3 inch test pipe, Exedy Stage 1 clutch, HKS SSQV BOV, HKS WGA, T-28 S14 Ball Bearing Garrett Turbo...
Im running it at 18psi... lol, and most the 240 guys say it's out of its efficiency at 14 psi, crap I tell you! and I am using the stock JDM ECU!!! no fuel management at all!!!!
on to the xD, at 300whp I expect to snap the axles... but I am planning on 75 less horse in hopes that they can take it, and I will need to do less outside work to get the power to the ground...
I was quoted $650 for a log style stainless manifold with an external wastegate port from FSR Motorsports.
That TB spacer is for an xB?
what do you think the depth of it is? an inch maybe? shouldnt be too hard to have one made up for the D... | That's impressive. That brings up another interesting point.
I did a couple of blower cars, Greddy, my 05 & my x partners 06. I believe the PE does not use management just a pump & injectors. Greddy says the engine won't run without their piggy, it does. In fact the ECU sees the TC injectors & runs fine after a few runs.
That is the spacer. An inch looks about right. There is some spiral, very hard to see how much. | |
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03-11-2009, 05:44 PM
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#211 | | Wellesley Scion Champ
Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Worcester, MA
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
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Originally Posted by Steve64 That's impressive. That brings up another interesting point.
I did a couple of blower cars, Greddy, my 05 & my x partners 06. I believe the PE does not use management just a pump & injectors. Greddy says the engine won't run without their piggy, it does. In fact the ECU sees the TC injectors & runs fine after a few runs.
That is the spacer. An inch looks about right. There is some spiral, very hard to see how much. | yea I should be able to get one fab'd up then...
I am a firm believer in the stock ECU doing its job... I mean at some point you will want to either piggy back or stand alone for tuning purposes... but at low amounts of boost the stock ECU should be able to handle the difference... | |
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03-11-2009, 06:08 PM
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#212 | | Registered User
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
"but at low amounts of boost the stock ECU should be able to handle the difference" that could be just the MAF & how the ECU reads it. There are 2 on the mini, 1 up, 1 downstream of the TB - 16 to 17# boost. Not too sure where I'm going with this, I won't speculate on the why or the how. The bullet is running about 9#.
If the spacer works, it's 1 small step = all good. | |
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03-12-2009, 09:12 AM
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#213 | | Wellesley Scion Champ
Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Worcester, MA
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
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Originally Posted by Steve64 "but at low amounts of boost the stock ECU should be able to handle the difference" that could be just the MAF & how the ECU reads it. There are 2 on the mini, 1 up, 1 downstream of the TB - 16 to 17# boost. Not too sure where I'm going with this, I won't speculate on the why or the how. The bullet is running about 9#.
If the spacer works, it's 1 small step = all good. | Well thats exactly my point, the MAF reads a higher voltage to the ECU and it compensates, by dumping more fuel, this leads to the ECU equalizing for best air/fuel ratio, while this will not make huge numbers it will create a difference in power as you are getting more of both... of course there will be dips in fuel where the ECU isn't fast enough to compensate, but that's why you would run a piggy back, to tell the ECU when to do what.... and that is about as much as I know on the topic, when I do end up going with a piggy back/stand alone the car will be "Tuned by Nivo".
Do a google search for NIVO88T. Nivo has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more knowledge on the tuning aspect of things than I ever will... | |
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03-12-2009, 11:10 AM
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#214 | | Registered User
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
This conversation would take way too long. Back in the 80's I wrote some software for an open loop stand alone.
1 thing I can say is, the MAP, T-MAP sensor is quite slow. For our cars, we can read the IAT ( intake air temp ) reliably. When we go to FI there is no sensor. We need to know what our EGT ( exhaust gas temp ) is. A good tune will adjust, injector timing, pulse with, ign.......
I don't have time during the next several hours to look at Nivo, however, as time permits I will ( time for homework ) & report back. | |
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03-12-2009, 11:43 AM
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#215 | | Wellesley Scion Champ
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
I agree, but on our cars you need to know AFR's as well, running too rich or too lean with FI, could lead to catastrophic engine failure...
Case in point:
High EGT's can be caused from timing being too retarded or from not enough fuel(AFR). Most Pistons will melt around 1400-1650 degrees... Then you have... Catastrophic engine failure! | |
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03-12-2009, 01:54 PM
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#216 | | Registered User
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
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Originally Posted by TheLittleDeviant I agree, but on our cars you need to know AFR's as well, running too rich or too lean with FI, could lead to catastrophic engine failure...
Case in point:
High EGT's can be caused from timing being too retarded or from not enough fuel(AFR). Most Pistons will melt around 1400-1650 degrees... Then you have... Catastrophic engine failure! | All of the above 
In the early days you needed to read plugs. Today we have wideband..... I still read plugs. Old habits never dye............
I still have some shifter karts in the garage ( need to sell or trade ). Head temp & EGT need all your attention. These are the only tells you have.
Still kooking for Nivo. They are in MA? I would be interested to see what a tune would do for a stocker.
I'm playing hooky, should be doing my books. This is way better | |
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03-12-2009, 02:05 PM
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#217 | | Wellesley Scion Champ
Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Worcester, MA
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
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Originally Posted by Steve64 All of the above
In the early days you needed to read plugs. Today we have wideband..... I still read plugs. Old habits never dye............
I still have some shifter karts in the garage ( need to sell or trade ). Head temp & EGT need all your attention. These are the only tells you have.
Still kooking for Nivo. They are in MA? I would be interested to see what a tune would do for a stocker.
I'm playing hooky, should be doing my books. This is way better |
LOL, Nivo, is a man's name. Nivo Ayala. I said to look up NIVO88T bacause he is on hundreds of forums and is constantly talking about tuning etc... Nivo is the builder behind SRTGurl, the 11 second neon, that beats Vipers
I can see about introducing the 2 of you sometime if you wanted to... Nivo is probably one of the best tuners you will find in MA
I am at work currently  HOME
LOL, Nivo, is a man's name. Nivo Ayala. I said to look up NIVO88T because he is on hundreds of forums and is constantly talking about tuning etc... Nivo is the builder behind SRTGurl, the 11 second neon, that beats Vipers
I can see about introducing the 2 of you sometime if you wanted to... Nivo is probably one of the best tuners you will find in MA
I am at work currently
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The inability to actually edit a post is rearing its ugly face right now...
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03-12-2009, 03:15 PM
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#218 | | Registered User
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
I did read about the Neon.
There are few tuners here in the NE. The best I know is in southern CA.
I think we are working...... Or not.... Quote:
Originally Posted by pelly3s great looking cars steve. i hope to see them in person sometime soon | Hey, did you get your car back?
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03-12-2009, 03:37 PM
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#219 | | Wellesley Scion Champ
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
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Originally Posted by Steve64 I did read about the Neon.
There are few tuners here in the NE. The best I know is in southern CA.
I think we are working...... Or not....
Hey, did you get your car back? | Nivo is one of the only tuners I fully trust, I would be more willing to let him street tune my car than bring it to a shop and dyno tuned...
where do you work? | |
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03-12-2009, 04:17 PM
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#220 | | Registered User
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| Re: trying to get a group in Massachusetts
I work here in Northampton.
I would be willing to bring 1 of my cars for a tune.
Dyno results are and can be very misleading. The dyno is a tool. Results will vary dyno to dyno, day to day.
There was a garage here with a roller & I would only use % as it was almost 90% repeatable. | |
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