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09-13-2006, 05:18 PM
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#101 | | Registered User
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| i think completely ruling out the possibilty that the government had a hand in 9/11 is just completely and utterly ignorant. The govt planned to kill citizens in the past so whose to say they havent done it already, and not just 9/11. I mean we just found out that we are breaking Geneva convention law by using "alternative interrogative methods". And i think John stewart said it best..."Alternative interrogative methods just sounds like a bull**** name for tuture to me".
And the whole argument "if you dont like it here no one is stopping you so leave" is completely childish imho. The nazis gave all of the jews in germany a period of 2 years to leave before they started to round them up and execute them. People dont need to leave, people need to fix things | 
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09-17-2006, 02:18 PM
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#102 | | Registered User
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| Bush Admits There Were BOMBS in Towers!!!!!!
So then after reading the following I have concluded that "Osama bin laden" has enough power and control to pretty much blow up any building he wants.
Think on this folks....
He must have a team of demolition experts that knew where to exactly place the bombs so that the buildings would come down as smooth as they did. And the time that it takes to do this, What a day or two? NOT!!!! Try months!!!! So then for months Osama and team have been planting bombs in the Twin Towers and building ..7. and I ask Just how did they do this under the watchful eye of security which cry tell was lead by none other than Gorge Bush's very own brother Marvin P. Bush? Come on people you better wake up to the facts! There are tyrants leading this country....And their not going to leave without a fight.
SNIP---> http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/relea...0060915-2.html
"The bill I have proposed will ensure that suspected terrorists will receive full and fair trials, without revealing to them our nation's sensitive intelligence secrets. As soon as Congress acts on this bill, the man our intelligence agencies believe helped orchestrate the 9/11 attacks can face justice.
The bill would also provide clear rules for our personnel involved in detaining and questioning captured terrorists. The information that the Central Intelligence Agency has obtained by questioning men like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed has provided valuable information and has helped disrupt terrorist plots, including strikes within the United States.
For example, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed described the design of planned attacks of buildings inside the U.S. and how operatives were directed to carry them out. That is valuable information for those of us who have the responsibility to protect the American people. He told us the operatives had been instructed to ensure that the explosives went off at a high -- a point that was high enough to prevent people trapped above from escapingBassh admits there ."
Bush talking about terrorist instructions on placing explosives in buildings? Placing explosives in buildings? Now think back about buildings that have fallen - in demolition-like fashion - and tell me what comes to mind. I think you'll see why several readers flagged this as curious - perhaps darned curious.
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09-19-2006, 09:41 AM
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#103 | | Registered User
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| Bush made a strange comment about explosives and their placement in U.S. buildings. Was this a tacit admission of 9/11 controlled demolition?  | |
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09-26-2006, 12:55 PM
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11-28-2006, 08:24 PM
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#105 | | Registered User
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| 1. The AWOL Chain of Command
It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.
2. Air Defense Failures and Timelines
The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.
The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.
Was there an air defense stand down?
3. Pentagon Strike
How was it possible the Pentagon was hit one hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began?
Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation's capital?
How did Hani Hanjour, a man who failed as a Cessna pilot on his first flight in a Boeing, execute a difficult aerobatic maneuver to strike the Pentagon?
Why did the attack strike the just-renovated side, which was largely empty and opposite from the high command?
4. War Games
US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crash bombings, and a strike on the Pentagon.
The multiple military war games planned long in advance and held on the morning of September 11th included scenarios of a domestic air crisis, a plane crashing into a government building, and a large-scale emergency in New York. If this was only an incredible series of coincidences, why did the official investigations avoid the issue? There is evidence that the war games created confusion as to whether the unfolding events were "real world or exercise." Did war games serve as the cover for air defense sabotage, the execution of an "inside job, or both?
5. Flight 93
Did the Shanksville crash occur at 10:06 (according to a seismic report) or 10:03 (according to the 9/11 Commission)?
Does the Commission wish to hide what happened in the last three minutes of the flight, and if so, why?
Was Flight 93 shot down, as indicated by the scattering of debris over a trail of several miles?
6. Possible Smoking Guns
Did cell phones work at 30, 000 feet in 2001?
How many hijackings were attempted?
How many flights were diverted?
7. Demolition Hypothesis
What caused the collapse of a third skyscraper, WTC 7, which was not hit by a plane?
Were the Twin Towers and WTC 7 brought down by explosives? (See "The Case for Demolitions, " the websites wtc7.net and 911research.wtc7.net, and the influential article by physicist Steven Jones. See also items no. 16 and 24, below.)
Foreknowledge and the Alleged Hijackers
8. What did officials know?
How did they know it?
When did they know?
Multiple allied foreign agencies informed the US government of a coming attack in detail, including the manner and likely targets of the attack, the name of the operation (the "Big Wedding"), and the names of certain men later identified as being among the perpetrators.
Various individuals came into possession of specific advance knowledge, and some of them tried to warn the US prior to September 11th.
Certain prominent persons received warnings not to fly on the week or on the day of September 11th.
9. Able Danger, Surveillance of Alleged Hijackers
The men identified as the 9/11 ringleaders were under surveillance for years beforehand, on the suspicion they were terrorists, by a variety of US and allied authorities, including the CIA, the US military's Able Danger program, the German authorities, Israeli intelligence, and others.
Two of the alleged ringleaders who were known to be under surveillance by the CIA also lived with an FBI asset in San Diego, but this is supposed to be yet another a coincidence.
10. Obstruction of FBI Investigations Prior to 9/11
A group of FBI officials in New York systematically suppressed field investigations of potential terrorists that might have uncovered the alleged hijackers, as the Moussaoui case once again showed.
The stories of Sibel Edmonds, Robert Wright, Coleen Rowley and Harry Samit, the "Phoenix Memo, " David Schippers, the 199i orders restricting investigations, the Bush administration's order to back off the Bin Ladin family, the reaction to the "Bojinka" plot, and John O'Neil do not, when considered in sum, indicate mere incompetence, but high-level corruption and protection of criminal networks, including the network of the alleged 9/11 conspirators.
Nearly all of these examples were omitted from or relegated to fleeting footnotes in The 9/11 Commission Report.
11. Insider Trading
Unknown speculators allegedly used foreknowledge of the Sept. 11th events to profiteer on many markets internationally, including but not limited to put options placed to short-sell the two airlines, WTC tenants, and WTC re-insurance companies in Chicago and London.
In addition, suspicious monetary transactions worth hundreds of millions were conducted through offices at the Twin Towers during the actual attacks.
Initial reports on these trades were suppressed and forgotten, and only years later did the 9/11 Commission and SEC provide a partial, but untenable explanation for only a small number of transactions (covering only the airline put options through the Chicago Board of Exchange).
12. Who Were the Perpetrators?
Much of the evidence establishing who did the crime is dubious and miraculous: bags full of incriminating material that happened to miss the flight or were left in a van; the "magic passport" of an alleged hijacker found at Ground Zero; documents found at motels where the alleged perpetrators had stayed days and weeks before 9/11.
The identities of the alleged hijackers remain unresolved, there are contradictions in official accounts of their actions and travels, and there is evidence several of them had "doubles, " all of which is omitted from official investigations.
What happened to initial claims by the government that 50 people involved in the attacks had been identified, including the 19 alleged hijackers, with 10 still at large (suggesting that 20 had been apprehended)? | |
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11-28-2006, 10:29 PM
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#106 | | I'm outta here
Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NC
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| If you ask me we can for sure blame our own goverment. Our "leaders  " spend all their time trying to find ways to make themselves look better to other nations. We always have to be involved in something global whether we have business in it or not. Wars and disaster equals big money and big tv time for the president. Fortunate for us hes an idiot so it can be entertaining watching him stumble and screw up words. The fact is, i believe, that either the U.S. causes it or allows it. Simple as that. We appear to "help" out others in need but we never actually help those who need it or get anything resolved. Getting it resolved means nothing to be involved in. | |
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11-29-2006, 12:42 PM
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11-29-2006, 04:01 PM
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#108 | | I am Sofa King We Todd Ed
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| This is all excellent information. I try to be as 'outside' of the field on this subject as possible, but I do find myself leaning more towards the whole idea that it was, in fact, somewhat of an inside job. I do not have much input on this besides sharing my own belief.
I just want someone to explain why GW can go fishing or hunting, or sit at his ranch home when all this is going on, as if nothing is really happening.... | |
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11-29-2006, 05:25 PM
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#109 | | Registered User
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Originally Posted by BoomBox ...I just want someone to explain why GW can go fishing or hunting, or sit at his ranch home when all this is going on, as if nothing is really happening.... | Was that a facetious question?? 
If not, IMO, in a democracy, one needs only to keep a majority of the people happy. | |
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