Is Anyone Running On Cut Springs??

confuzedbox · 09-24-2009, 12:07 PM

I PUT A SET OF NF210s ON MY XB AN I WANT IT LOWER ...I WANT TO CUT ONE COIL OUT OF THE SPRINGS TO GET IT LOWER ..DID ANYONE ELSE DONE THIS YET ? AND HOW IS THE RIDE?NEED HELP ON THIS TOPIC...

litos_2006 · 09-24-2009, 12:30 PM

u should have gone with the df210's 2 in drop use the advance search and you find answer to your ?'s

Padanky · 09-24-2009, 12:39 PM

If you cut a coil off, it won't work. The coil won't seat right since the second coil diameter is different. Should of just got the Df's

dragon0840 · 09-24-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Padanky

If you cut a coil off, it won't work. The coil won't seat right since the second coil diameter is different. Should of just got the Df's

I disagree, If I'm not mistaken, Jason (scvscions) has run his gen2 xB on a set of chopped gen1 Goldline springs. As if the 2.5 inch drop wasn't enough when you put 'em on the lighter first gen. He has also successfully done the same cut setup on a first gen that I have seen. It was way low, even on stock wheels. I have the same Goldline springs on my '05 gen1 uncut & I had to have my exhaust customized because i was scraping on every little driveway.

Padanky · 09-24-2009, 12:56 PM

I was going to do it before, just looked un safe to me. I guess as long as you cut the top of the spring, don't cut the bottom, it looks like it will slide off the perch.

dragon0840 · 09-24-2009, 01:14 PM

YES. Before you do this, i suggest you PM or email Jason (scvscions). I was talking to him one time and he did mention something about cutting one side rather than the other. I do not however recall off hand which side it was. What Padanky says sounds right and has good reasoning behind it.

confuzedbox · 09-24-2009, 01:52 PM

i started going threw the threads and seen that another member cut his springs on his..after i posted this topic up...the rear springs r iffy on cutting them ,but i was thinking of welding on 2 tabs on the edge of the perch to prevent the spring from jumping or sliding off...money is tight rite now thats why im looking at this opp.im lucky i got the 18inch work vs-mx wheels (dicontinued 3 piece)when i did cause of money issues.thanks for that info.

xPartyx · 09-24-2009, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by confuzedbox

...money is tight rite now thats why im looking at this opp.

don't compromise safety because you're short on funds. everyone wants their car to be "cool" but its not worth breaking more stuff, costing more money, or wrecking your car and causing injury to yourself or others.

just my thoughts

dragon0840 · 09-24-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by confuzedbox

i started going threw the threads and seen that another member cut his springs on his..after i posted this topic up...the rear springs r iffy on cutting them ,but i was thinking of welding on 2 tabs on the edge of the perch to prevent the spring from jumping or sliding off...money is tight rite now thats why im looking at this opp.im lucky i got the 18inch work vs-mx wheels (dicontinued 3 piece)when i did cause of money issues.thanks for that info.

You should ask them at what end they cut the spring. Keep in mind that on the rear, the shocks themselves are really short. This may be causing them the issue. After installing my Goldlines, we had to swap out the rear shocks with a set of Monroes because they were constantly bottoming out in the tube. The replacement shocks solved this and also allowed a slightly lower ride than the stock shocks, due to the initial length.
When sitting lowered on the stock shocks nearly bottomed out, they are essentially pre-compressed, therefore the compression inside the unit is at a higher ratio than at stock height as the springs are no longer helping the ride height, and the shock is working harder right off the start, giving less space for it to move and rebound from general road impact. The replacement monroes are shorter to start, thus keeping the ability to compress and rebound as the stock shock at stock height allows. This keeps the shock at standard length and compression at a stand still, working appropriately while in motion, and allowing the car set slightly lower than the stock shocks.

859Toaster · 09-24-2009, 04:47 PM

Why can't people just buy the right thing? Cutting is not the solution with springs.

ketchup_xb · 09-24-2009, 05:17 PM

coz its way cheaper. its good if its just temporary, until the said person is able to afford coilovers. its still unsafe imo.

then again, if i can recall. gothbox has cut springs on his 04 xb with no problems. also another clubxb member named infeliciter has recently modified the df210s. it looks really nice. then were still gonna go back to the safety or looks/stance predicament there.

dragon0840 · 09-24-2009, 05:49 PM

Here's a thought to marinate in... Is running Cut Springs any less safe that say extreme camber, which effectively has one riding on only the inside edge of the tires or removing safety equipment such as a drivers side air bag to run a custom removable steering wheel? No offense to anyone running such mods, I am using these strictly as a safety comparison here.

859Toaster · 09-24-2009, 06:42 PM

You guys gotta remember, I am a suspension whore, and believe in doing it right, and safe.

As far as your comment goes Draggon, if done right all the following things are safe.

Camber shouldn't be ran in any more than -3 degrees, and you should run a tire made to hold camber. Like to Proxy R1R or R888 (there are other tires two, but those two are ones off the top of the head). -5 is pretty dangerous as demonstrated by Dooby on his trip to Arizona.

Removable steering wheels is safe in theory. But you need to have a qualified hub and wheel to meet this theory. They were designed for racing, to give the driver more room to climb out the window in case of an emergency. Now the cheap knock offs may not be as safe, but if needed for that reason, I am sure they'd do fine.

Removing air bags can be safe depending on the size of the driver. If the driver sits close to the steering wheel or dash, the airbag can be more harmful than good.

I don't agree with Goth's cut springs, but its his car. Personally you'll never see me running cut springs. Even if they are lowering springs. I insist on proper parts for proper function. By cutting a coil out, you're taking away how much weight the spring can support.

Hell I can't even find a spring that has a high enough rate to make me happy. The front springs are close on a few applications, but the rear, almost everyone I find stats on, are way to soft. I think PCH has the best set up, but I am sure he paid good money for those Thrust Coilovers.

xPartyx · 09-24-2009, 08:16 PM

like i said before, I understand everyone wants there stuff to be "cool" but when it comes to being "cool" by compromising the integrity of a major mechanical component I'm not into it, but that's just me.

as far as it being "temporary" until you can afford something else?
now that just doesn't make sense. . . save up and do it right.

again, just my opinions

859Toaster · 09-24-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by xPartyx

like i said before, I understand everyone wants there stuff to be "cool" but when it comes to being "cool" by compromising the integrity of a major mechanical component I'm not into it, but that's just me.

as far as it being "temporary" until you can afford something else?
now that just doesn't make sense. . . save up and do it right.

again, just my opinions

Thanks for making me feel not so alone

xPartyx · 09-24-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 859Toaster

Why can't people just buy the right thing? Cutting is not the solution with springs.

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im glad we're on the same page. i need my car to work and keep me safe/alive while i drive it more than i need it to look "cool." maybe other people have different priorities.

to each his own.

15yroldSciontist · 09-24-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by xPartyx

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im glad we're on the same page. i need my car to work and keep me safe/alive while i drive it more than i need it to look "cool." maybe other people have different priorities.

to each his own.

Not really to each his own... ya see these cheapos with thier cut springs comprimise the safety of OTHER PEOPLE too.

I manned up and I'm glad I did. 859 helped me decide on a tight set of brand new KSPORT coilovers, keep in mind that even though im 17 as stated in the user name, i have a job and pay for everything that is on my car THE RIGHT WAY.

dont cut your springs...

859Toaster · 09-24-2009, 11:09 PM

Saving lives one box at a time

confuzedbox · 09-24-2009, 11:21 PM

thanks for the input u guys....as for the nf210s springs,i got them for free from a friend that bought my df210s from me when i had my first xb ...so ive been having these springs for a min...its good that members on here have a good straight forward response on the safty issue on cutting springs..i was just looking to get some input from yall on this before i screw things up ...

xPartyx · 09-25-2009, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 15yroldSciontist

Not really to each his own... ya see these cheapos with thier cut springs comprimise the safety of OTHER PEOPLE too.

agreed.

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Originally Posted by confuzedbox

thanks for the input u guys....as for the nf210s springs,i got them for free from a friend that bought my df210s from me when i had my first xb ...so ive been having these springs for a min...its good that members on here have a good straight forward response on the safty issue on cutting springs..i was just looking to get some input from yall on this before i screw things up ...

my input is donnnnt do it. although scions are new to me, ive worked on VW's, rock crawling trucks, offroad/desert race trucks, gokarts, etc etc, and one thing i have learned that you do NOT compromise suspension components. It's one thing to fabricate suspension for performance and its another to hack at it and take parts off for the "look"

with that being said. if you do want to do it, i suggest to research as much as you can, talk to the members who have done it, and most of all, be safe (i guess as safe as you can with cut springs. . which isnt toooo safe)

Edit: or sell those damn springs to someone who wants em, and use that money to save up for what you really want.