Flippin' camber!!!

yellow_sub · 12-01-2006, 04:31 PM

no no alignment yet. gonna do that when i get the new set of tires.

Brian · 12-01-2006, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hotbox05

toe kills tires just as much as camber.

Not really.

Toe will REALLY kill a tire quickly. Camber will eat the inside half of the tire a little more quickly than normal while toe eats the inside edge. Typically, camber wont wear a set of tires that quickly.

FrankenScion · 12-01-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian

Not really.

Toe will REALLY kill a tire quickly. Camber will eat the inside half of the tire a little more quickly than normal while toe eats the inside edge. Typically, camber wont wear a set of tires that quickly.

So would you say James' tires are more from toe or from camber? From your description it sounds more like toe.

If so thats good James, you can adjust your toe and keep running camber and not have to buy tires every 6000 miles.

JDMJim · 12-01-2006, 06:13 PM

I prolly won't do camber this next year. I like how the edges of my rims poke out of the fenders to line up with the bodykit. So yeah, I feel ya. But mine were worse. Post that on SL and see what happems

ScottyTuned · 12-01-2006, 06:15 PM

Post it on SL like Jim said. ^^^ But instead of saying you got it from camber, say you got it from 40 offset wheels and a fake fab kit. Youll be revered as a god!

hahahaha

scotty

**dancar420** · 12-01-2006, 09:17 PM

is the toe adjustable in the rear

Brian · 12-02-2006, 08:31 AM

the reason why people on Scionlife will scream at you about how its all the cambers fault is because 99 percent of the people over there dont have a damn clue as to how ANYTHING involving cars works. Most of them are what I call "internet experts" which means they repeat what they read from every other thread there like its the truth because someone typed and hit "submit post". The other half are your 36-50 year old "Ive been a mechanic since you were in diapers boy!" types. Great, pops. Being close minded is great, especially when you are paid to diagnose problems...

enough of that.

Jon- Yes, this looks to be toe wear. I will take some pictures of my tires that I ran for the past 5 months. They have about 6K miles on them at least and were run at -4 degrees of camber.

squirrel · 12-02-2006, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dancar420

is the toe adjustable in the rear

No, its fixed. BUT, if you run the OTG camber shims, Van designed them to correct part of the toe problem. The amount of correction is proportional to the amount of drop you have. But it does take care of some of the toe.

ThunderGod · 12-02-2006, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian

I will take some pictures of my tires that I ran for the past 5 months. They have about 6K miles on them at least and were run at -4 degrees of camber.

yes do, brian!

ocxb · 12-02-2006, 04:03 PM

there are tires made for neg camber but they cost$$$

Padanky · 12-02-2006, 04:23 PM

The newest Nitto Neo Gens are made for neg camber, according to there ad in magazines.

yellow_sub · 12-02-2006, 10:48 PM

yeah but the widest they make in the 16 is a 205 and i don't wanna puch that much of a stretch.

hotbox05 · 12-02-2006, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian

Not really.

Toe will REALLY kill a tire quickly. Camber will eat the inside half of the tire a little more quickly than normal while toe eats the inside edge. Typically, camber wont wear a set of tires that quickly.

a little more quickly than normal ? hell no .
no doubt toe is worse on tires than camber. but camber is NOT good at all. on traction tires or braking tires. so basically if you have bad toe and camber on a fwd car your tires will last nil. if you have bad camber on rwd your tires will die soon. if you have bad camber on the front of a heavy car like a supra they will die from your brakes locking up and they will get flat spots.

try having perfect toe but bad camber on a supra. ate up tires in no time flat.

front and rear.

and es100's will cup when they get bad camber. especially if you have camber on your front braking wheels. bad combo. ha ha . only thing i hated about my supra

camber only on teh rears of a ligth fwd car should produce lightly accellerated wear.

camber on drive wheels , or the front wheels of a heavy car will wear at an extremely accellerated pace. let alone if you add toe into the equation

Brian · 12-03-2006, 12:38 AM

Darren, I wont argue with you but I disagree with what you said. Im leaving it at that.

hotbox05 · 12-03-2006, 05:44 AM

ok well. all i'm saying is yes just camber is nowhere near as bad as camber plus messed up toe BUT camber is more than just regular wear on the inside of a tire. that tire also has more pressure per square inch than if it wasn't cambered.

and go buy an 87 supra , slam it 3 or so inches get it aligned so your toe specs are all in green but your camber is at oh 5/7 degrees up front and 3/5 degrees in the rear. see how long the tires last. NO TIME FLAT will they be bald as all hell inside. and cupped on the fronts if you drive and brake hard.

JDMJim · 12-03-2006, 11:42 AM

This is the result of my summer camber experiment. So yeah, I'll leave it to the professionals from now on. Cool for Japan where no one drives on a regular basis. Not cool for America where you have to drive 100 miles a day. So that's really bad toe. But the car looked so cool.

ThunderGod · 12-03-2006, 11:22 PM

shoot, for $200.00 195/50/15 KUHMO all 4, i'll camber it all year long.

hotbox05 · 12-03-2006, 11:57 PM

hell even my 215/40/17 kumho's are 54 each but i'm cool off of camber. don't much like the look of anything more than 2 or 3 degree's.

8atman · 12-11-2006, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by hotbox05

toe kills tires just as much as camber.

hey those es100's aren't good for camber.

yup you probably have a bad toe issue. Camber will be a ***** but toe is the killer trust me.

suspended · 12-13-2006, 08:01 AM

OK, a few misconceptions goin on here

the neo gens are made for camber (i had them on my wheels for a while)...only problem is you can't rotate them.....with cambered wheels, you want to flip the tires, and with the neo gens, you can't flip the outside in and vice versa, so only one side of the tire wears, instead of being directional, they have an "inside" and "outside", only reason i got rid of mine

and on adjusting the toe issue, you CAN do it in the rear, but not like you would in the front..it is true thats its non "adjustable"...some alignment shops actually have small shims they can cut out at the specific angle that you need to get your toe straight (kinda like a camber shim, only going the other way), then they just take off the four bolts on the hub, stick it back there, and viola!